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Threv Echandari
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:34:00 -
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worst.change.ever (yeah it was already used but is worth repeating)
OK I did not think that I would agree with Meryn on this topic as we have had our disagreements on the usefulness of Stealth Bombers (and still do). It is one of my favorite classes of Ships to fly that is until the Missile changes in QR (which were good for most missile ships but devastating to the Stealth Bomber as an anti frig /cruiser platform and compact DPS) Also you did not make it clear whether or not the Stealth Bomber will retain the ability to use Cruise missiles. If the SB can still use Cruise missles as well as torpedoes then this change might be something I could live with. Otherwise I might as well take Meryn's advice and reprocess my fleet of Bombers.
Torpedoes are good on Ravens but on the paperthin SB you will get one volly then you will be locked and instapopped by a stiff breeze. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. Range and Sensor damps are the Stealth Bombers best defence. This isn't EFT whoring this is common sense (whic seems to be in short supply on this thread) This change reduces the utility of the SB to short range suicide waste of 30 million isk. My ideal wold be to give the SB a Cruise missile Bonus' to bring back to the utility they had pre QR. They would suck much less.
I have been on the fence about Covert ops cloaks on SBs but this change as it stands pretty much demands one. Either that the missiles it fires need to be fire and forget (IE I can recloak and the missiles and bombs will still hit)
Right now I can run with my lowsec gangs and Pop Destroyers, contribute to damage on a BS and Scare off a Falcon -at range. A torpedo only setup makes this a suicide ship and its too expensive to blithly throw away.
As for its Bomb capabilities. Bombs are still ridiculously expensive (I can fly a T1 fit Drake or an AF for that kind of money and still be more useful). And the Empire restrictions on Bombs use must go. At least lift the restriction from Lowsec. As I don't play in 0.0 any more (and good riddance too, thank you Faction Warfare) its a weapon subsytem that I cannot use in my chosen area of play. (Though I expect no love from 'Dictor pilots on this.. I feel your pain but your ship in their chosen role is waay more useful even if it is 0.0 only The SB...not so much. Which would you rather have in your 0.0 gang?......I'll give you 3 guesses and the first two dont count!)
Please go back to the drawing board or leave it alone, "This is not the Stealth Bomber change you are looking for" /Jedi Hand waving
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Threv Echandari
Caldari
K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:52:00 -
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@Polinus,
I didn't want to comment on other players comments (other than Meryn's  ) and just keep it to the topic @ hand but......
1. Theres more to Eve PvP than 0.0 (I know its hard to see that out there but its true).
2. SB's are Team players and work well when others are doing the tackling for you.
3. 150KM Sniper BS Don't do squat @150KM when Sensor damped by 1 Bomber who keeps his Tranversal up (and thats after the Damp nerf.. granted the SB won't kill him. But its DPS that can't easily be negated by said BS.
4. It appears that you have never flown a Stealth bomber (at least in its role)
5. SB's are not solopwnmobiles...  The Extra DPS from Torps @ 40KM will be laughed off as the SB dies a horrible death.
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Threv Echandari
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K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.03.26 02:26:00 -
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Ok now that I have had my Hissy fit @ how monumetally stupid a Torp only Bomber is here are my constructive suggestions.
Turn back the clock
1. Stealth Bomber only Bonus to missile speed, explosion velocity, Exploison Radius. Lose Damage Bonus. *IE make Cruise missiles work like pre QR nerf but decrease time to target.
2. Bombs need to be cheaper. 300k a pop. Any more than this and its not worth it. You will definitely see them get used..alot
3. Remove Empire restriction on Bombs. At the very least allow them in .3 space and below (hows that for Risk/reward)This way they won't get abused in Rancer but will still see some action.
4. Increased agility, decreased sig radius BS's should not be able to Pop it.
5.Fix the cap or warp speed so you can make those long warps.
These simple changes alone will make Bomber pilots rejoice in that the Bomber will be back to its previous state prior to the QR Changes yet fix many of the problems they had before. (I hear you CovOps cloakers, I want it too but CCP ain't gonna give that to us.)
Onto the bonus round!
These changes are other possible fixes to the SB to enhance the current ship or above (not all to be used together these are just ideas)
6. Passive Target and launch while Cloaked. (you will decloak when you fire) =surprise secks
7. Fire and Forget missiles and Bombs. (Decloak, Lock, fire, Recloak) = U-boat style
8. Built in Target painter (old hidden sig bonus?)
9. Bombs fire out the back! (really who though of the current system)
(Concessions to the Dev team, your heart was inthe right place but.....)
10. Add ability to fit Torpedoes (but not at expense of Cruise launchers and keep the Bonus' listed in 1.)
11. Cloaked speed Bonus (of your initial Ideas this one was the best)
(Stealth Bomber Pilot Fantasy)
12. Remote Detonation of Bombs.
13. OK fine -- Ability to use Covert Ops cloak. This is the one change most all bomber pilots seem to want and would go a LONG way in making the Stealth Bomber you know... Stealthy.
14. (one of my favorites..) Ditch the Bombs altogether and Give us back AoE Torpedoes. Same Damage as Torpedoes but to Everything within its explosion radius say 5k. (no silly Sig damage reduction, Strickly by range. If your ship is within 1KM of the target you take full damage scaling down to 1/4 damage at the edge of explosion radius.
Good luck and do us right. Dont give us yet another useless, too expensive toy we have been very patient.
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Threv Echandari
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Posted - 2009.03.30 03:13:00 -
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Thanks for listening Chronotis but please leave the Bounus on the Cruise Launchers. IT the only way to fkeep some flexiblity and some DPS.
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